Statement of FSF board on election of Richard Stallman (RMS): u.fsf.org/3bf

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Dear @fsf, do you think that “It was right for me to […]” looks like an apology? Do you believe an organization cannot outlive its founder? Do you think promises to make the board membership process “transparent” will be enough to restore trust? … I’m baffled.

@civodul @fsf His address seems to be more of a general response than just an apology to anyone he’s hurt (which is included in the third paragraph). Various people have raised a lot of valid concerns, but also a lot of misinterpretations and false accusations. I think it’s only fair for him to accept the former but reject the latter.

@civodul @fsf I don't think that thread was the worst of his behavior, but his explicit refusal to acknowledge the criticism there really doesn't make for a decent apology. He did vaguely apologize for something else earlier, but did not address his problematic positions on consent, pronouns, or anything else.

@DanHakimi @civodul @fsf aiming for social and political purity leads us to a cultural revolution.

@DanHakimi @civodul @fsf I'd recommend you to read this article which addresses why most of the allegations, including the ones you have listed, are false: edsantos.eu/on-stalman/

rms did address that many false accusations were being thrown at him. There's no reason for him to repeat all of them.

@abokado @civodul @fsf Alright, this is like the twelfth article I've seen defending Stallman, but I'm bored, so give me a minute. First issue -- the "better pronouns" issue. Stallman is free to tell people what pronoun he wants used to refer to him. He is not free to pick the pronouns he uses to refer to others. If Bob's preferred pronoun is the third person plural, Stallman needs to deal with that. If he refuses to -- I don't think there's hate in his heart, but it's hateful in practice.

@abokado @civodul @fsf For the Down Syndrome issue -- it's not the biggest one, but it's Stallman stating his opinion on something that's *none of his business*. If he gets pregnant and he finds out that the child will have Downs Syndrome, we know what he'll do. Women will make their own decisions, they don't need his input.

@abokado @civodul @fsf Then let's talk about consent. This article addressed his position on consent, quite ambiguously... to mor or less say that, if one criticized his opinions on consent, he would agree. So... Uh... not a false allegation, the article agrees with me.

@abokado @civodul @fsf Finally -- the article agrees that he's disrespectful and that our community would be better off without him... He implies that the board shouldn't have elected him, but then says that we shouldn't "cancel" him, which... I don't understand, what is "cancellation" if not the sum effect of people wanting the community to be without him? This sort of "anti-cancel" nonsense just goes, "people shouldn't be allowed to agree that they don't like other people." What?

@civodul Mmm... s'excuser de quoi au fait ? Précisément ? A noter que je m'attendrais quasiment à autant de réponses différentes que de personnes à qui je poserais cette question... S'excuser d'être dépourvu d'empathie ? De réfléchir à des sujets de société sensibles et d'oser émettre des opinions qui divergent de l'opinion majoritaire ? J'aimerais bien qu'on m'explique quel #crime il a commis qui nécessiterait des excuses sur la place publique ? Je vois surtout un tribunal populaire délétère...

@Obelux Je n’ai pas parlé de « crime ». En revanche, au fil des décennies, son comportement et ses mots ont fait fuire beaucoup de gens, parmi les « minorités » mais pas que. Le coût est élevé.

Ça n’enlève rien à l’importance de son travail politique sur le logiciel libre. Je pense que c’est sain de pouvoir regarder ces deux aspects en face, et aussi de ne pas réduire ce mouvement au travail d’une seule personne.

@civodul Fait fuir d'où ? De la FSF ?
Si c'est le cas, c'est l'affaire de la FSF, et d'aucune autre organisation.
Bien sûr, chaque organisation est libre d'émettre un avis, de faire part de ses craintes... mais ça ne devrait pas aller au delà.
Or, certains se permettent d'exiger des excuses, ou pire, sa démission. Si "vous" avez des choses à redire au sujet de son comportement, contactez RMS directement et dites-lui votre façon de penser.
Ça serait beaucoup plus sain que de faire de l'ingérence.

@civodul Il me semble que le mouvement du logiciel libre s'est magnifiquement développé à travers le monde, "malgré" la présence de RMS durant 35 ans. Donc, prétendre aujourd'hui qu'il serait devenu une "menace" pour la survie de ce mouvement est une pure élucubration.
Je ne nie pas le problème de son comportement (les témoignages abondent), mais certaines organisations ne peuvent pas à la fois se présenter comme indépendantes (de la FSF) et dicter leur loi (à la FSF). Un peu de logique !

@civodul "Je pense que c’est sain de pouvoir regarder ces deux aspects en face"
Je suis d'accord 🙂

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