Software A is designed to download videos from server S; software B as well.
How can A be considered as “circumventing a technical measure” while B isn’t?
(With A = youtube-dl and B = Firefox, say.)
@civodul There’s a big difference between A and B.
B can afford good lawyers to fight back; A is a community driven project with no financial backing so can be trivially bullied into submission even when abuser has dubious legal grounds.
@civodul I think you're imagining a world of reason and justice that has never existed. If Wall Street decides that letting jerkwater industries like "recorded music" push around the big-tech golden goose, then this effort will succeed. If Wall Street decides that this is bullshit, then it will go away. The end.
@civodul Do you remember when LimeWire was sued and went down?
Being right and winning a legal case are two different things.
@civodul Our generation did not yet succeed at fixing copyright, and our technical solutions are failing again and again — they take down our solutions with legislative attacks whenever they become too widespread.
@honiden Firefox can only display a video if it has downloaded it. That it doesn’t store the video on your hard disk is an “implementation detail”.
@civodul in short: intent.
Ages ago I remember reading this article about "the color of bits" that's a good explanation of the logic at play here: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
The law is not limited to considering computers only as silicon and software; it looks at the context that system exists in.
(not that i want to defending copyright law! i also think taking down youtube-dl is ridiculous.)
@lm Well, I think #RIAA member companies just put unreasonable trust in YouTube/Google. Fundamentally, YouTube serves videos to the world, so there are no “technical measures” that can let it serve videos but “only if the user doesn’t keep them on their disk”.
In a way, RIAA is a victim: Google lied if it said it could prevent that.
(I like that phrase, “RIAA is a victim”. :-))
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